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Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 15:41:00 - [1] So we're at war with yet another terrorist/anarchist organisation. They seem to spring from the rocks every so often. I did read the OP with some interest though, as it states very little as to the purpose of this war with regards to when SF will consider it "won". SF will commence operations in the heartlands of the Empire, they state. That would be satisfied simply by sending an interceptor or two to Amarr every other day for a week and then claim victory. Let me state this clearly: Before this war PIE and her allies have used Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. During this war PIE and her allies will use Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. After this war PIE and her allies will use Amarr and surrounding systems as a base of operations. This war will continue until the time when SF sees the immensity of the task they have engaged in - and then they will be scurrying off back to whatever holes they came from (unless of course we decide to root them out first). Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.04 06:58:00 - [2] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger We declared this war, so the pressure is on us to fight, not them. Damn. I was just beginning to disrespect all pilots of the Star Fraction for "not having a clue" and then you go speak some sense Sable. That's not nice. To explain to the rest of you guys and girls out there. Since joining up with PIE about a year ago, I simply don't remember a time when we did not have at least 3 active wars going. One of these has always been against the Ushra Khan alliance. One of the consequences of being continously in the front line is that we must prioritize our targets according to importance. Star Fraction simply doesn't rank that high on the list. If you guys wish for this to change, I'd advice you spend some time and effort to actually "compete" with our other enemies for position, rather than simply spend your time here complaining about it. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Atandros Our kill to death ratio for the Cyrene campaign was 3,09 : 1 and our ratio for the current campaign is 3,29 : 1. Interseting figures indeed. I could of course produce statistics that shows that the figures in this war are closer to 1:1. But if your figures makes you happy then by all means stick to them. Come to think of it I could probably also produce statistics that shows the exchange rate as 329:1 in our favour. The fact remains that your success or failure in this war will be measured by what you actually achieve rather than by some exchange rate that can be argued from here to the end of time. Your purpose to this war (as far as I can tell - SF tends to be rather vague in this regard) was to destroy PIE in and around Amarr. Before this war, PIE and her allies has partly operated from bases in and around Amarr. During this war, PIE and her allies partly operate from bases in and around Amarr. After this war, PIE and her allies will continue to partly operate from bases in and around Amarr. You have already failed - you just haven't had the courage to admit it to yourselves yet. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.05 06:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Interseting figures indeed. I could of course produce statistics that shows that the figures in this war are closer to 1:1. But if your figures makes you happy then by all means stick to them. Come to think of it I could probably also produce statistics that shows the exchange rate as 329:1 in our favour. Perhaps if you're incapable of doing simple division. By the way, the ratio is now 3.63, thanks. As I said, if your little numbers keep you happy, by all means stick to them. Of course, statistics can be tweaked to show just about anything you want, but just ignore that. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 09:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Don't make a mistake. We actually like you running and hiding ineffectually. If you are quite happy with the situation as it is, why have you spent the last 8 pages of this thread whining about it? As for the "running and hiding" bit, that's entirely your version. It has been said before - we have many enemies and will deal with them in order of importance. You people just don't rank that high on the list. But don't worry - we'll get around to dealing with you eventually. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:10:00 - [6] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 08/04/2007 11:06:11 Originally by: The Cosmopolite As for why we fight you, it is not for the sake of it but because you support an imperial system that we have consistently opposed for many, many years. Of course, your allies in Bloodveil does not support any such imperial system. Consistency, Mr Cosmopolite - are you familiar with the term? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.08 15:57:00 - [7] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 08/04/2007 15:55:18 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You cannot talk your way out of this war Where in the name of all that is holy did you get that from my post? Originally by: Jasmine Constantine At the moment you are pretty much beneath contempt, for having been convincingly trounced in debate on this very issue by those of SF who deign to "educate" you Well your contributions certainly haven't helped in this regard - and as it's actually the opposite that has taken place, I assume you have moved back to your personal "don't read the posts, just start smacktalking" policy again. I do notice however, that you seem to like my "beneath contempt" statement of another post since you are quick to copy it. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine ...you occupy the role of a galnet voice without substance. For the umpteenth time your actions contradict your words, Jasmine. You have consistently answered to any post I've made - although with little intellect and no insight. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.08 17:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Because for the last week I have never seen you in space and you appear in none of our records of kills or losses and you exist merely as a talking head on galnet. Since all you can do is talk its a fair assumption you are trying to talk your way out of this war. As usual, little Jasmine, your assumptions are as flawed as your sense of logic. If you actually bothered to read the posts I've made on the topic, you'd see that I have consistently said that we shall deal with you when we see the time as right. You'd also find that I have never tried to talk my way out of this war. But perhaps the concept of actually reading up on a topic before commenting on it is alien to you? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.08 22:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Bacchanalian There's something about killing loudmouthed cowards that is akin to kicking a puppy........ I look forward to punting this one. It has, unfortunately, become an all too rare experience to see a post from our enemies with some wit, humour and intelligence in it. This is one of those occurences. It is only fair that I applaud you Mr Bacchanalian for making it. If Star Fraction intends to see this war through as you claim you will, I'm sure you'll get your chance some day. Whether you'll be facing a poodle (whatever that may be) or an Amarr slave hound remain to be seen. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 08:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Ituralde The fact of the matter is, we are here to make Amarr and the surrounding area unsafe for you, and so long as you demonstrate that by hiding, you play into our hands. By all means, hide from battle, you make our lives far easier. See, Gaven, we needn't fight you at all if your own cowardice does our job for us. Originally by: Ituralde Considering the recent upsurge in using plain T1 fittings and the deployment of legions of T1 cruisers by the Amarrian loyalists. So in order to clarify, we hide from battle while fielding legions of T1 cruisers. Perhaps you should consider coordinating your IGS postings somewhat. Originally by: Ituralde Twisting words is pathetic when the truth does not support them by any stretch of the imagination. I couldn't agree more. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine PIE typically hide from battle while AM field legions of tech1 cruisers would be more accurate to say. First, I must regrettably correct myself. I just noticed that in my post above I quoted Ituralde for speaking about Amarr Loyalists fielding T1 cruisers. The actual post was made by Atandros. As for the post by Atandros it was made to indicate that I apparently didn't contibute much in way of financing our war effort as you had lately been killing only T1 cruisers (the point made by Atandros). Reading this reply consequently makes it look as if I'm now financing the warefforts of AM. I'm not. AM are quite capable in their own right and hardly need my financial aid. As for PIE hiding - Read the news, Read Archbishops posts and look to your own kill and deathboards. If you wish to accuse me of being a coward that is your business, but to accuse PIE as a whole for such a thing is plain lunacy. But I must congatulate you Jasmine. For the first time in a very long time you've actually managed to put up an argument without simply smacking your ear off. I hope this is the beginning of a new style. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:44:00 - [12] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 09/04/2007 12:40:45 Originally by: Tharrn And we did it all without ever undocking our horde of T1 cruisers! Tharrn, be nice. It was a legion, not a horde Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Suffice to say the truth of the engagement will be told in the war diary. And if you don't like what is going to be written there I would advise you to get writing and prepare your own. I can understand how you must believe this. After all, Star Fraction pilots are known for their ability to present an unbiased assesment of a given situation. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.11 13:04:00 - [14] Mr Sable, I remember a time only a few days ago when you were able to present a logical argument to your case - I respect you for that ability. By now however, you are sliding dangerously into the usual SF habit of posting simply unfounded smack. I would suggest that you model your postings more along the lines of Mr Cosmopolite. At least he does command quite a lot of respect for his ability and willingness to argue his views (such as they are) using logic and reason. The words of a respected adversary does weigh a lot heavier than the words of a simple smackartist. If you wish for a serious debate regarding the economics behind this war, the value of loss statistics or any other topic really, I'd suggest you do as Mr Cosmopolite: Originally by: The Cosmopolite Discussion of the figures on that basis is to be expected and quite welcome. If you are content to degrade any discussion to a competition of who can produce the more pointless smack, then by all means continue down the slide you are on. I'm certain that the perseverance of certain SF pilots makes your alliance the favourite in such contests - with or without your involvement. So the question is simply this: What standard will you set for yourself? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.11 13:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Heero Yuy Where is the point in presenting logic and reason to people who themselves have no care for either? From the very inception of this conflict you have done your best to twist and subvert the simple facts - those being that you have shown no skill, no honour and no courage. Your best so far is a lucky draw; the entire remainder consists of running, docking and being swiftly and decisively annihilated singly or in groups due to your own disorganisation and because you do not dare to stand and fight. All you can muster in opposition is a small brigade of semi-accomplished liars on these forums. And you talk about standards? The leadership of the Amarr Loyalist organisations has formulated a strategy for this war as well as the many other wars we are currently involved in. I'm sure Star Fraction leadership has done the same for you. To be absolutely frank about it, the quality of said strategies are not for you to decide - nor me for that matter. The value of said strategies will actually not be decided by anyone. It will not even be decided on the battlefield. History is full of conflicts where one side might have lost every major battle but still won the war. Consequently, the value of the strategies used by either our sides will not be seen until the smoke clears. If you have achieved what you set out to do when going into this war, you may claim success - according to your objectives. We may do the same according to ours. We might even find ourselves in a position where we may both claim victory. When reviewing those objectives publicly stated by both sides, I find it very likely that we shall. So you see, in the end your opininon on the matter of the strategies used is irrelevant - and so is the opinion of everyone else, including myself. To continously state "We are winning! You are losing!" will in the end prove nothing other than you are in need of convincing yourself it is so. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.12 19:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Perhaps your alcoholism and debauchery is what prevented SF doing anything to actually hurt the Empire last night when Brother Joshua waltzed through your fleet. He clone-jumped because your fleet was incapable of clearing a path through the Star Fraction picket force. Strange how Amarrian religious mysteries must be abandoned when Amarrian paramilitaries come up short. Our mission, if I recall correctly, was to get Brother Joshua safely from point A to point B. Brother Joshua set out from point A with us and arrived safely at point B. End of story. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.12 20:40:00 - [17] Originally by: The Cosmopolite You can try and ignore the fact that our initial objectives have been met in full all you like. Doesn't change the fact that they have been met. I guess that can be debated. However, my personal view is that SF should be left to decide for themselves wether they find their war a success - just don't expect the rest of us to share your views on the matter. Originally by: The Cosmopolite In the coming weeks, the Star Fraction is resolved to demonstrate that the very heartlands of the Amarr Empire are unsafe for its supporters and that we û anarchists, rebels, terrorists and outlaws that we may be û can and will operate against loyalist forces in the capital of the Empire and throughout the surrounding systems, constellations and regions. Quite easily obtained to be honest. If you measure your success by the fact that SF are capable of operating ships in the Amarr Empire then you are quite right: You have been succesfull. After all, sending two frigates to Amarr over the course of the week would enable you to claim victory on these grounds. I certainly admit that you have done more than that, but my point is that it would have required no more than this for you to claim your victory. Originally by: The Cosmopolite The fighters of the Star Fraction will wage war against the Amarr Empire's capsuleer lackies the better to oppose the spread of the tyrannical 'order' that is espoused by the Empire and all who support it. This one should prove to be more of a problem for you. The past week has seen several succesfull PIE and Amarr Loyalist operations throughout the Empire in accordance with our stated purposes. Let me mention that just last night Mr Archbishop held another successful sermon and that PIE pilots at the same time provided escort for Brother Joshua in his travels around the Empire. You may claim victory according to your own objectives if you so desire Mr Cosmopolite, you may even believe you have achieved it. However, I think you should realize that others may not agree with you in this question. Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 13:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Archbishop Oh I don't know... attendence was pretty good courtesy of the Star Fraction... while PIE, VV, AM and OO we're helping alter the political dynamics of the Empire with another act of loyalty to God and Empire. I think my sermon was a great success and I am so happy you enjoyed it. I know I did. Archbishop Don't pat yourself on the back too much. Its not like we stayed long enough to around getting back in time to force the loyalist fleet to dock up and isolate Brother Joshua to his fate. The Amarrian Loyalists set out to do two things on the night in question. First, Archbishop was to give one of his famous sermons. Second we were to make sure that Brother Joshua could travel in safety from point A to point B. Archbishop did give his sermon and Brother Joshua set out from point A and arrived safely at point B. I think you'll need a better than average imagination to see this as anything but a success on behalf of the Amarrian loyalists, don't you? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.14 14:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Independent reports from capsuleers on the scene say you abandoned the convoy and fled to dock to save your ships. While your "independant" pilots may claim whatever they please, the fact remains that we did reach our objectives. Oh, and before I forget. Brother Joshua himself found our services recommendable and had absolutely no complaints about our conduct. Youre grasping at straws here Jasmine. Why don't you just admit it? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.

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